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Dude. If you are going to have a snowballs chance in hades, you are going to have to complete the SAP in good faith. Anything reported on your DAC is just as valid for a "pre employment drug screen failure." But sure. Argue that you don't have to do it. See exactly how quickly someone will put your butt in the seat. Once your appeal is completed, you will need to look at SAP for a return to driving. Until that point you will have a brick wall in front of you for driving a CMV. This hair test was not reported to Clearing house as only urine tests are reported so i dont have to complete SAP and its not on my record. but its now on my DAC report and hindering my ability to get a job. so far it looks like the only options i have for hiring are the "second chance" mega carriers The Substance Abuse Professional (SAP) is a person who evaluates employees who have violated a DOT drug and alcohol program regulation and makes recommendations concerning education, treatment, follow-up testing, and aftercare. A CMV is a vehicle that is used as part of a business, is involved in interstate commerce, and may fit any of these descriptions: A truck drivers DAC report will contain detailed information about their job history of the last 10 years as a CDL driver (as required by the DOT). It may also contain your criminal history, drug test results, DOT infractions and accident history. The program is strictly voluntary from a company standpoint, but most of the medium-to-large carriers will participate. Most trucking companies use DAC reports as part of their hiring and background check process. It is extremely important that drivers verify that the information contained in it is correct, and have it fixed if it's not.
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Substance Abuse Professional
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Previously someone mentioned being hired by Pam after failing a hair test done at a different company. I remember. I do not take those folks as telling the truth. Just my thoughts. There may be substance users that can be trusted out there. HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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I recently got my CDL and applied to my first trucking job, to my surprise I failed Schneider's hair follicle test even thought I paid for my own hair screening before just to make sure and came back negative. anyway I was sent home and am now applying to any trucking job I can get my hands on but most of them are now denying my application due to the report being filled on my DriverIQ website report. Is there anyway to get rid of this or fight this? will it be removed from my report with time? what is my best option or company that I should apply to or is my driving career over before I even started? I am extremely frustrated because Schneider didnt even let me explain my case or appeal it and sent me home immediately as if there's never false positives for hair tests ( which national average shows about 15% are false positive) Hey Cameron, sorry to hear this happened to you. Was it for cannabis? Do you remember approximately what your test results were, was it over 1pg/mg? I'm basically wondering if anything above a "0" on prehire is a fail. Supposedly the general cutoff is 1pg/mg. I haven't smoked in about six months and have been testing positive on urine for maybe four, but I'm just paranoid anything at all will mess up my career before it starts. 1pg is 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a gram. A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles: Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand. We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process. The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment. During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
Prehire:
What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?
A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment
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I recently got my CDL and applied to my first trucking job, to my surprise I failed Schneider's hair follicle test even thought I paid for my own hair screening before just to make sure and came back negative. anyway I was sent home and am now applying to any trucking job I can get my hands on but most of them are now denying my application due to the report being filled on my DriverIQ website report. Is there anyway to get rid of this or fight this? will it be removed from my report with time? what is my best option or company that I should apply to or is my driving career over before I even started? I am extremely frustrated because Schneider didnt even let me explain my case or appeal it and sent me home immediately as if there's never false positives for hair tests ( which national average shows about 15% are false positive) Hey Cameron, sorry to hear this happened to you. Was it for cannabis? Do you remember approximately what your test results were, was it over 1pg/mg? I'm basically wondering if anything above a "0" on prehire is a fail. Supposedly the general cutoff is 1pg/mg. I haven't smoked in about six months and have been testing positive on urine for maybe four, but I'm just paranoid anything at all will mess up my career before it starts. 1pg is 1/1,000,000,000,000 of a gram. Cameron hasn't been here since this post. Give yourself a year. A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles: Pre-hire letters are acceptance letters from trucking companies to students, or even potential students, to verify placement. The trucking companies are saying in writing that the student, or potential student, appears to meet the company's minimum hiring requirements and is welcome to attend their orientation at the company’s expense once he or she graduates from truck driving school and has their CDL in hand. We have an excellent article that will help you Understand The Pre-Hire Process. The people that receive a pre-hire letter are people who meet the company's minimum hiring requirements, but it is not an employment contract. It is an invitation to orientation, and the orientation itself is a prerequisite to employment. During the orientation you will get a physical, drug screen, and background check done. These and other qualifications must be met before someone in orientation is officially hired.CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
Prehire:
What Exactly Is A Pre-Hire Letter?
A Pre-Hire Letter Is Not A Guarantee Of Employment
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I don't like this answer. Talk about ambiguous. How many months were you clean? When was your last date of drug use, and what was your drug of choice? Where did they take the sample from? Head, armpits, chest, legs, arms, facial hair? I would never rely on a home test holding up against the more expensive testing this huge corporations use. You took a drug test at home because you suspected you might not test clean. You rolled the dice and put your faith in that home test. Schneider's test likely did not produce a false positive, your home test obviously was not to the same standard of detection. Now I have read that Schneider in some cases allows for those failing a hair follicle test to reapply after waiting some period of time if that person at least passed the UA portion of the testing. I'm not positive about that and its best to discuss with a recruiter. I have smoked pot in the past, given it up a year ago this past January before I went to Colombia for a month and a half. During that month and a half, I quit chewing tobacco, gave up the weed, and returned feeling good about kicking both habits. I have remained weed and tobacco free since Jan and will be attending Schneider's orientation in October this year. So I am most curious about the specifics in your case. Date of last use, where sample was taken from, and what drug or drugs you tested positive for. I want to avoid at all costs potentially having to deal with any issues that would prevent me from being hired. I've invested too much time and money pursuing my CDL and I want this opportunity with Schneider to move forward in a manner that leads to a satisfying career in trucking. I have no hair on my head. Doubt I would even grow enough hair on my head to sample in six months. I have now discernable body hair, no armpit hair, no chest hair, no leg hair. Very thin arm hair that again might not produce enough of a sample to test. Only real hair i have these days is facial hair. Apparently this will be sufficient to use for testing. But I have heard facial or body hair will show THC metabolites for a longer period of time than hair taken from the scalp. Again, I would appreciate specifics related to your situation. I can't risk a positive test for THC. How would you fight it? Did you use prohibited substances and get caught through their testing procedures? No i have been clean for many months as im taking my trucking career seriously, I even paid for my own hair screen before going to orientation to make sure and the results were negative. So i emailed Schneider telling them I wish to appeal my termination and to show them the hair test results I paid for out of pocket and that their test was a false positive. I also opened a case on driver IQ/cisive to appeal their report on my termination as its now affecting my ability to get hired at other trucking companys A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
HOS:
Hours Of Service
HOS refers to the logbook hours of service regulations.
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I don't like this answer. Talk about ambiguous. How many months were you clean? When was your last date of drug use, and what was your drug of choice? Where did they take the sample from? Head, armpits, chest, legs, arms, facial hair? I would never rely on a home test holding up against the more expensive testing this huge corporations use. You will probably not be hearing from him because he has not come back after his last post. He never let us know what ever became of his situation.
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I experienced a similar situation too .How did you sort it out and was there any other company that was able to hire you I recently got my CDL and applied to my first trucking job, to my surprise I failed Schneider's hair follicle test even thought I paid for my own hair screening before just to make sure and came back negative. anyway I was sent home and am now applying to any trucking job I can get my hands on but most of them are now denying my application due to the report being filled on my DriverIQ website report. Is there anyway to get rid of this or fight this? will it be removed from my report with time? what is my best option or company that I should apply to or is my driving career over before I even started? I am extremely frustrated because Schneider didnt even let me explain my case or appeal it and sent me home immediately as if there's never false positives for hair tests ( which national average shows about 15% are false positive) A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
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I experienced a similar situation too .How did you sort it out and was there any other company that was able to hire you I recently got my CDL and applied to my first trucking job, to my surprise I failed Schneider's hair follicle test even thought I paid for my own hair screening before just to make sure and came back negative. anyway I was sent home and am now applying to any trucking job I can get my hands on but most of them are now denying my application due to the report being filled on my DriverIQ website report. Is there anyway to get rid of this or fight this? will it be removed from my report with time? what is my best option or company that I should apply to or is my driving career over before I even started? I am extremely frustrated because Schneider didnt even let me explain my case or appeal it and sent me home immediately as if there's never false positives for hair tests ( which national average shows about 15% are false positive) El E, the original poster will probably not see your question. Happens a lot that someone asks for advice on something that is not possible to correct. Then we never hear from them again. A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:CDL:
Commercial Driver's License (CDL)
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Hi there, This is my first post on the forum! I recently graduated from CDL school and just accepted a job offer from Schneider which will start middle of July 2024 - next month. I came across this thread while doing some research about the hair follicle test they will perform and I have some questions that I think some of you experts may be able to answer. Prior to getting my CDL, I was a pretty regular user of marijuana and smoked (vaped actually) daily. I was a heavy user. At the time, I was in a position where I could. I also live in a state where it’s legal - not that this matters for DOT purposes however. I got sober on May 8th, 2023 and have been sober ever since. May 8th was the last time I ever used any cannabis. I have also had no other drugs or alcohol in my system since. I am 100% sober and did this knowing at the time a few months later I would be getting my CDL and eventually a job. Well, that time has come with the opportunity Schneider has offered me. My question is, as of writing this post, it has been over one year since I’ve used anything, 404 days to be exact, and when I have my first day of orientation with Schneider, it will be just over 1 year and two months, about 434 days. I probably have nothing to worry about with it being that long ago now but of course, my curiosity is peaked, especially after seeing the OPs post and some of the reply’s. The last thing I want is for anything to happen - again even though I don’t think it would at this point. How long does marijuana/cannabis use from a regular, daily user stay in for a hair follicle test? How far back does the Schneider hair follicle test go? A lot of what I’m seeing suggests it goes back as far as 90 days, with the urine sample testing for any drugs currently in your system. If it makes any difference, I have fairly long hair - down past the bridge of my nose. Based on all of this information, do I need to worry, even a year and two months AFTER the last time I ever used anything? I appreciate any replies! Nick A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles: A department of the federal executive branch responsible for the national highways and for railroad and airline safety. It also manages Amtrak, the national railroad system, and the Coast Guard. State and Federal DOT Officers are responsible for commercial vehicle enforcement. "The truck police" you could call them. Operating While IntoxicatedCDL:
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Hi Nick. Welcome to the forum. I only know what I read on the forum from others who are more knowledgeable. Based on that, you are probably in the clear……. But, get a private hair follicle test done before the Schneider test. Even then, it’s not 100% fool proof, as was the case with the original poster. In your case, it would be money well spent. BTW, where did you go to CDL school? A CDL is required to drive any of the following vehicles:CDL:
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